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DuckMaster Snailer
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Andelu Yvelines DC
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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When we are going to Bonneville or Muroc Clôd ?
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Clôd Dropped
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Brive, Corrèze county, France
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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When you want mate ! Just have to rebuild Suddenly, preparing engine a little bit, repaint, and find funds to cross ocean and stay few weeks there ! _________________ I'm a Rod Breaker
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Lionel Dropped
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I start playing euromillion this evening! _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! |
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DuckMaster Snailer
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Andelu Yvelines DC
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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take one more for me Lionel !!! |
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Clôd Dropped
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Brive, Corrèze county, France
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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May be could you play euromillion in the name of the "Canards Sauvages 2cv Club" ? Then, I could pretend 15% of the winnings € € € € 0 _________________ I'm a Rod Breaker
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Clôd Dropped
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Brive, Corrèze county, France
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I realize my topic tittle is inappropriated... As I said in a reply to Lionel in his topic "the barn", my cars are 6 feet under me... so they ARE buried. _________________ I'm a Rod Breaker
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Lionel Dropped
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
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That's right, but the grave has a door to push your cars out, and just a few steps for you to go down and work! _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! |
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JoZeF Grave Digger
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I can probably tow them out with my AZU... seems appropriate enough _________________ "That bumper fits there like sunglasses on pig" O.E.
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Lionel Dropped
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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JoZeF wrote: | With a 652 it's easy.
Regulations for salt lake racing in that category imply that you use original Engine and original capacity
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You can change capacity - just have to use correct block for "Production" class.
I typed up lots of details - but can't post URLs until I've made 5 posts. |
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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BanalZ600 wrote: | JoZeF wrote: | With a 652 it's easy.
Regulations for salt lake racing in that category imply that you use original Engine and original capacity
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You can change capacity - just have to use correct block for "Production" class.
I typed up lots of details - but can't post URLs until I've made 5 posts. |
So you could bump the motor up to 750cc to run in J/Production. |
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Clôd wrote: | Well guys, let's see what could we do. Many of you seems to be enthusiast for this idea : beat a land speed record on one of the famous spot, Bonneville, El mirage or Muroc...
Here is Evil tweety, a banal Honda N600 ! :
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Banal? Ouch . . . actually it's a Z600. |
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Olli wrote: | Hey Clod!
Welcome to forum!
Thanks for this story, it was interesting.
Is that speed record still true!? I think tuned 602 can run whit aerodynamic
Ami body quite easily +100mph (+160km/h). Americans maybe dont have
intrest to drive whit these small engines like 600cc they rather use 600cid.
-Olli |
Keep in mind the elevation at Bonneville - it's not as easy as it looks. |
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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BanalZ600 wrote: | Olli wrote: | Hey Clod!
Welcome to forum!
Thanks for this story, it was interesting.
Is that speed record still true!? I think tuned 602 can run whit aerodynamic
Ami body quite easily +100mph (+160km/h). Americans maybe dont have
intrest to drive whit these small engines like 600cc they rather use 600cid.
-Olli |
Keep in mind the elevation at Bonneville - it's not as easy as it looks. |
Then add the heat in - the adjusted elevation can almost double . . .
(Sorry folks - just trying to get in 5 posts so I can answer a bunch of Claude's questions.) |
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BanalZ600 Snailer
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: Banal? |
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Clôd wrote: | Well guys, let's see what could we do. Many of you seems to be enthusiast for this idea : beat a land speed record on one of the famous spot, Bonneville, El mirage or Muroc...
I made a folder in 2003 with many datas from the South California Timing Association, and particulary the current records and the general rules. At this time, I noticed that the records in J/PRO could be reach by a 2cv or derivated well made : 92.337 mph (148.6 km/h) at Bonneville by Gerald Davenport on "Dynamic simplicity" in 2001 and 72.838 mph (117.22 km/h) at El Mirage Dry Lake by Bob Jucewic on a car prepared by him and Bob Duncan in may 1993.
I didn't update since april 2003, and those records have been beated : today, Bonneville salt lake and El Mirage dry lake land speed records for J/PRO are owned by Eric Burns, on "Evil Tweety" with 99.299 mph (159.81 km/h) since october 2004 at Bonneville and 85.441 mph (137.5 km/h) since november 2006 at El Mirage. There is no land speed record at Muroc dry lake for J/PRO, and the East Coast Timing Association has record a record in 2006 for J/PRO with the Fleming Flyer driven by Gerald Davenport at 95.238 mph (153.27 km/h) on the concrete of the World War II air base located in Maxton , North Carolina (they don't have dry lakes or salt lakes in this part of U.S !).
Here is Evil tweety, a banal Honda N600 ! :
So, now, what about the rules ?
A vehicle engaged in a land speed record correspond to a class and an engine class.
The car classes are divided in four general categories: Special construction, Vintage, Modified and Production.
The engines of 2cv and derivates (375 cm3 -22.88 ci-, 425 cm3 -25.94 ci-, 435 cm3 -26.55 ci- 602 cm3 -36.74 ci- 652cm3 -39.79 ci- and 1015 cm3 -61.94 ci- for an Ami Super) correspond to three engine classes :
H : 62ci thru 92 ci or I : 46ci thru 61ci (for the Ami super)
J : 31ci thru 45 ci (602cm3 and 652cm3)
K : 30 ci and under (375 cm3, 425 and 435 cm3)
That's all I know about the rules !
I don't really understand all. for example, I don't understand the difference between blown, unblown and supercharged or the difference between gas and fuel...
I found all of this on, the SCTA website. Now, I just have to rebuilt entirely "Soudainement" and find sponsors and money to engaged it at bonneville and El Mirage ! It will be really funny ! I'm sure we could reach the actuals records in J/PRO
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Banal? Ouch . . . BTW - it's not an N600, it's a Z600.
You can purchase a rule book with out joining SCTA - hit www.scta-bni.org/ and check out the store link. I think they are US $15 or $20 - probably sold out for this year.
The DRLA (Dry Lak Racers Australia) have their rules based on SCTA - download at www.dlra.org.au/docs/dlrarules.pdf - but again - BASED on, not they same (but it's a free way to get more details.)
A good place to read up and ask questions is www.landracing.com/forum/
BTW - a French club is wanting to bring a PT Cruiser some time in the future. Maybe you can team up with them and bring both cars over in a 40' container? (Or will both fit in a 20' one? (20' = 6.096 meters . . . ) They posted at the landracing . com site within the past few months.
For production, you have to use the stock block and valve/port configuration. You can change the transmission and differential, but can't use a quick-change rear-end. (Not as simple with FWD cars . . . ) No blower, supercharger, or turbocharger.
You can also switch to fuel injection, but have to run the supplied gas to race in "production" class.
Keep in mind the elevation is something like 4200' (okay - 1280 meters) and the adjusted elevation can hit 7000' on a hot day (yeah - 2133 meters.)
Can you get one of those 602 cc engines up to 750? You'll need every bit you can get . . . |
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