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Barbot Speciale (moved from Custom Nostalgia)
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VasilAmi
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my support from one cold garage to another :)
Happy new year
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hee vasilami.

happy new year fomr my cold garage to you and good luck with the project. I'm almost finished Wink can't wait to drive
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Meeuw
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's cold in the garage and to wet outside for welding the bonnet Crying or Very sad

So it's time for some work inside and to use my brains Laughing


A few years ago I bought a worn out steering wheel which was used on the Barbot (Quillery Viraflex 42cm). They ask a lot of Euro's for these steering wheels as good ones are hard to get. But there's one big problem: The material Quillery used desintegrates over time and so was mine (too far gone to restore)...



Buying another one is a recipe for a real negative cashflow so I decided to use my 3d skills so I can print a new one with the use of a 3D printer. Here are the results:



And after some rendering:





It is still a bit rough but after printing I will make a mould of the print, trim the corners and pour a new steering wheel in fiber reinforced epoxy....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some extra pic's.....






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june
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Meeuw

some years ago there was a discription how to repair such old steering whell in a german "old car" magazin. If you want I try to find out the articel, so you can try out a repair?

greetz June

you wrote:
A few years ago I bought a worn out steering wheel which was used on the Barbot (Quillery Viraflex 42cm). They ask a lot of Euro's for these steering wheels as good ones are hard to get. But there's one big problem: The material Quillery used desintegrates over time and so was mine (too far gone to restore)...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi June,

Maybe it is a good idea to post it on the forum? I think there are more snailers who like to read about it.

Mine is really too far beond repair. The material has become so brittle that it pulverises when you put it in your hands.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Meeuw!

That bonnet is really looking great Cool
It's fantastic that your rolling it out on the English wheel yourself..
It's impressive how much work would have gone into the original Barbot, it's no wonder that there have been no outstanding replicas...until now Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Harley for your kind words.... I really appreciate your comment...

It is indeed a lot of work to get the shape of the bonnet as it should be. I think there are more than a 80 hours of labour already spend on just cutting, shaping, forming and welding. Not to mention the hours of research and the rest of the car.... I can really say that Barbot was a brilliant engineer and the garage of Vinatier Senior did an excellent job in constructing the car!

Compared to the work of Olli I am glad to get these results as he (and some others here on the forum) are real masters of metalworking. But I will get there, eventually Wink

Here's a view from the back. I don't think someone has seen this picture in recent years.




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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those old steering wheels were made of powdered horn and bone in some glue type paste so obviously after 50 or 60 years they tend to have rotten a bit
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a wild guess, maybe they were made from Celluloid or Nitrocellulose?
If it burns fiercely when lit, it could be an indication it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meeuw wrote:
Hi June,

Maybe it is a good idea to post it on the forum? I think there are more snailers who like to read about it.

Mine is really too far beond repair. The material has become so brittle that it pulverises when you put it in your hands.


Hi Meeuw

I tried to find it and I only figured out it was Sonderheft Oldtimer Markt „Interieur selbst restaurieren“, Heft 33 2004. I am in contact with the publisher. I try to get a PDF about the steering wheel article.
Another idea for someone who knows something about wood craft is to replace the old material by wood, because under the old material should be almost a metal ring. And this you can use as the frame for the wood craft.

Greetz June
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know exactly what kind of material the steering wheel is made from but it is easy to pulverise it. There is some fiber-like-structure in the material.

I think it will be great to have some information about how to restore an interior. Maybe it is a good idea to make a how-to topic containing easy tips&tricks?

The info from Oltimer Markt can be a good startingpoint for that.... Thanks June Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meeuw wrote:
I don't know exactly what kind of material the steering wheel is made from but it is easy to pulverise it. There is some fiber-like-structure in the material.

I think it will be great to have some information about how to restore an interior. Maybe it is a good idea to make a how-to topic containing easy tips&tricks?

The info from Oltimer Markt can be a good startingpoint for that.... Thanks June Very Happy


Hi Meeuw

today I got a copy of the article and I will scan it and than I will have it as a PDF file, but Crying or Very sad it is German. It is not easy to translate it, before posting it.
If somebody want, I will send the German PDF as PM

Greetz June
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi June,

I lived in Berlin for a few years... Es ist kein problem alles zu ubersetzen...

I'll send you a PM. [PM send]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welded the bonnet today...... We're halfway Laughing Laughing Laughing

The next big thing is to shapen the bonnet with a hammer and a dolly.... Lots of fun Rolling Eyes but it will all look better after that...





Can't get any flatter than this...... And yes, I know I have to clean up the garage Embarassed




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