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Kustombart Tiki burner
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Just lose the bonnet, like Jozef, and never keep the engine running when you are not driving. _________________ Don't ask me what I think of you 'cause I might not give the answer that you want me to.
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Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Lotsa holes on bonnet and cut huge parts of inner wings off.
Are those quite new BMW boxers still air kooled?
-Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com |
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sivipas Snailer
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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don't know abot new boxer engines.
I wouldn't have a daily car without a fan. even motorcycles with free-flowing air cooling have problems with standing in traffic jams. so if the car is intended only for meetings and pleasure rides, than ok, but otherwise I don't think it would be practical, or durable. |
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backfire Dropped
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 346 Location: NL, 's-Hertogenbosch
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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I have 2 air cooled motorcycles 1 from 1973 and 1 from 1976 and traffic jam is no problem with air cooled engine, they are much more durable then water cooled engines in those kind of situations.
New BMW boxers are still air cooled.
The problem you will have with the bonnet is that the heat stays under the bonnet. Just like 2cv racers make a tunnel around the cylinder and put a small electrical fan inside. _________________ 2CV, with Visa turbo charged |
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sivipas Snailer
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I use to ride a lot with a friend on his Moto Guzzi 1000SP. it's a large engine and, when standing, it gets awfully hot pretty quick. and, as you said, trap all the heat under the bonnet, and you've had it... |
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backfire Dropped
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 346 Location: NL, 's-Hertogenbosch
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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sivipas wrote: | I use to ride a lot with a friend on his Moto Guzzi 1000SP. it's a large engine and, when standing, it gets awfully hot pretty quick. and, as you said, trap all the heat under the bonnet, and you've had it... |
Remember that what we feel as very hot is already 50 degrees celcius, normal engine is running at 85-90 degrees and air cooled engine can go up to 120 degrees, advantage of air-cooled engine is that it will just stop idling, then you know you have to let it cool down. With a water cooled engine most likely your gastkets will blow, leaving you with a dead engine. _________________ 2CV, with Visa turbo charged |
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Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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sivipas wrote: | Moto Guzzi 1000SP. |
Yep, you cant compare victory of german manufacturing - BMW whit
some italian motorcycle engine.. In one motorcyle rally one guy kept his
normal old BMW running next to his gottage half day.. just for fun..
-Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com |
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sivipas Snailer
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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ok - you convinced me - but do you think that such an engine beneath a 2cv bonnet could cope with daily traffic without forced air cooling? I am sure it could not. |
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Malte Lowered
Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 534 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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somebody told me that a the clutch is not designed for that kind of engine...
the bmw engine makes other torques at other rpm's.
but felix, don't give a fuck and put a bmw-engine in :) _________________ in rust we trust... |
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backfire Dropped
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 346 Location: NL, 's-Hertogenbosch
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Without forced cooling for daily driving, I would not do it, but to make forced cooling is not that difficult and not to forget to install oil cooler will help a lot. _________________ 2CV, with Visa turbo charged |
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TONY ENGLAND Lowered
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 742 Location: MALDON, ENGLAND, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Just a thought How about fitting an electric cooling fan from a motorcycle, (very small) just behind the grill on the 2cv bonnet. Wire it to micro switch so that when the throttle is at rest (idling in traffic)the fan comes on and keeps the air flowing through the engine compartment.
This might be enough to make the difference _________________ If it works ok, "LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE". |
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sivipas Snailer
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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maybe an oil-circuit thermostat-operated electric fan could do even better |
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Bart Lowered
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Location: Södertälje
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Electric fans generally don't deliver enough air flow to cool an aircooled engine, although they would help a bit when standing still in a traffic jam.
Cheers, Bart |
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TONY ENGLAND Lowered
Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 742 Location: MALDON, ENGLAND, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I was not thinking of cooling the engine but simply to help move the hot air through and out of the engine bay which would allow the engine to idle longer without getting too hot .
Engines look a lot better stripped of all the tinwear (in my opinion) . _________________ If it works ok, "LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE". |
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Punky Dropped
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 361 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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sivipas wrote: | I've seen a Lomax with Bmw engine, but lomax doesn't have a problem with cooling. for sure it can be solved, but I haven't seen a bmw engine in a 2cv intended for daily drive. perhaps an electrical fan could do. |
I think you mean this car:
It lost his Patron body a few years ago and has now a modified Burton body.
More pictures of the building here:
http://www.groenegrommer.tk/ |
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