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Kustombart Tiki burner

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Shine is fine but primer is finer. _________________ Don't ask me what I think of you 'cause I might not give the answer that you want me to.
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Malte Lowered

Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 534 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kustombart wrote: | Shine is fine but primer is finer. |
yes, that's what i wanted to say!
:) _________________ in rust we trust... |
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SamClukkers Lowered

Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium
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Lionel Dropped

Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Malte wrote: | real rods never shine... |
"real rods have no fenders"
"coupes are for chicken", bla, bla, bla,...
I will take my primer with a lot of clear coat! _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! |
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Etienne Hoodrider

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nice 3W Lionel! Wow!
But I agree Bart about the colour!
I have a wonderful book about the deuce. Just got it for xmas... A lot of dreams inside!
I love the 3W and I think I usually like it more with fenders. Real rods can have fenders!! _________________ www.super2cv.com
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SamClukkers Lowered

Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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It all existed: bumpered, fenderless, primered, shiny, original height, channeled ... Don't think in boxes, just think periodly correct and tastefull! And if you don't like the nostalgic feeling and respect for the old days, get yourself a rusty overchanneled shitbox with the wrong proportions, periodly incorrect engine, and ugly tires to make it complete.  |
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Kustombart Tiki burner

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Sam that there is not one definite hotrod style. They came in all kinds of shapes and sizes.
Only I think that "period correct" is thinking in boxes as well. What is period correct for a 1932 3w coupe? They put a Ford V8 flathead in it in the 40's. With a Merc flathead, it's a 50s hotrod. A few years later it was Buick Nailheads, Caddy and Olds engines. In the sixties came the Hemi, even later it was the Chevy small block.
So what is period correct for a 1932 car that has been modified in the 40's, 50's, 60's etc?
I think the original hotrod style is all about low-budget performance. Take an old car that is easily available, cheap and easy to modify, take everything off that isn't neccesary to go fast, and put the biggest engine in that you can find.
I am sure that if the hotrodders from the 50s could get their hands on, say a Nissan Skyline engine with 600hp, they wouldn't think twice about styling, or period-correct. They'd just think they would go very fast indeed on the strip or the lakes... _________________ Don't ask me what I think of you 'cause I might not give the answer that you want me to.
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SamClukkers Lowered

Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Kustombart wrote: | So what is period correct for a 1932 car that has been modified in the 40's, 50's, 60's etc? |
You said it, it all depends on the kind of car you're building and in which period you're stuck. For me it's all about going back in time and choosing the parts that were available in a certain period. The Barbot wasn't racing a Visa engine with Megasquirt, pretty logical. You're right that they didn't think about stylish parts back in the days, but for us, it all is! |
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Etienne Hoodrider

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Since the 40's, most of hot rodders care about style!!! Of course they wanted drive fast, but not all of them were racing on salt lake! Have a look on a Hot Rod Magazine or pics of a 50's meeting : most of car have funny shiny colors and chrome.
You can't dissociate speed and style when you're talking about hot rod! _________________ www.super2cv.com |
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SamClukkers Lowered

Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Offcourse they cared about style, I was only talking about choosing 'the right stylish' parts to have a 'correct' hot rod like we are discussing now. They couldn't choose ugly low profile tires and chrome pimping rims, because they only had stylish parts back in the days.  |
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Etienne Hoodrider

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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It was to answer to Bart in fact! I totally agree what you said Sam! _________________ www.super2cv.com |
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Kustombart Tiki burner

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, in those days, if you had a car that was built for speed, it was a hotrod. If you had a streetable car which had the look of a hotrod and "style" parts added, it was a Streetrod.
Don't forget that most of the features that make the "hotrod style" were born out of the need for speed. Channeling and chopping and shaving were done purely for less wind resistance. Same performance goals were achieved with lake pipes, moondiscs, alloy wheels, drilled frames, cheater slicks etc.
If you are talking special paint, whitewalls, tuck and roll interiors etc, that all blew over from early customs. Those were all show and no go. Often equipped with standard engines and heavy as hell. The accent here was on styling.
When the show aspect was combined with the low-budget speed thing, hotrods changed forever, ending up with Boyd Coddington...
I am not saying that I don't care about styling, but sacrificing function for form is not my thing. A car is made to be driven in the first place. When I have to choose between an engine that is period perfect for style or an engine that has more power, is easier to maintain and can be driven daily, my choice is made. _________________ Don't ask me what I think of you 'cause I might not give the answer that you want me to.
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Lionel Dropped

Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Kustombart wrote: | Well, in those days, if you had a car that was built for speed, it was a hotrod. If you had a streetable car which had the look of a hotrod and "style" parts added, it was a Streetrod.. |
Well, if I'm not mistaking, "street-rod" was coined during late 70's when rodding regain in popularity ("Steet is neat", hell another one!) after almost desappearing during muscle decade.
Kustombart wrote: | If you are talking special paint, whitewalls, tuck and roll interiors etc, that all blew over from early customs. Those were all show and no go. Often equipped with standard engines and heavy as hell. The accent here was on styling... |
I agree, that and "custom-rods" appearing in the late 50's, early 60's with indoor shows. When hot-rodders tried to gain respectability, by showing nice cars instead of racing jalopy in the streets.
I can't help but thinking that when Bob Hirohata modified his Mercury 1949(well, ok, that was more the Barris brothers that did it) in 1951, it was something very close to tuning today... using last craze styling on a recent car.
Kustombart wrote: | When the show aspect was combined with the low-budget speed thing, hotrods changed forever, ending up with Boyd Coddington... |
it didn't stop there anyway, when you see the last creations of Chip Foose or Troy Trepannier, you guess that the sky is the limit, and that the sky is going back every day! _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! |
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Etienne Hoodrider

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Lionel wrote: | I agree, that and "custom-rods" appearing in the late 50's, early 60's with indoor shows. When hot-rodders tried to gain respectability, by showing nice cars instead of racing jalopy in the streets. |
You can see pics of indoor show, with real show rods, in "Hot Rod Magazine" from 1950!!
I can scan the article! _________________ www.super2cv.com |
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Lionel Dropped

Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, please yes!
That would help us to define what can be considered a "show-rod".
Are we talking of a "finished" high boy roadster like Doane Spencer roadster or a white vinyl interior, panel painted Ed Roth's Beatnick Bandit? _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! |
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