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Brooky Dropped
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 115 Location: North Devon, England
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I do wish people wouldn't pour scorn on this car, and the other ratrod (the one with the pure red-rust chopped body). These cars may not be to your particular taste but the builders have at least exhibited a good deal of talent in the execution of some pretty radical ideas.
Nobody else on here has gone this far and some of you guys are always on at people for not having the balls to cut cars up.
This is brave work and many of us have wanted to find a way of getting the front wheels well forward. Well this guy has done it. Whether you like the body or not, it's been well executed from what I can see of it. If this car was clothed in an early 2cv 4 light body you'd all be drooling over it!
So come on, give him a break please, if only for having the courage of his convictions & pushing the boundaries.
Brooky.[/quote] |
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SamClukkers Lowered
Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Please, it's not about having great taste or having the balls to cut things up.
The problem is that you shouldn't see these creations as cars, but as a work of art. All of them are great pieces of art, but they don't make great cars. And I think the builder never had the purpose to build a great custom/hot rod/rat rod of whatever you want to call it, but a piece of art that happens to have four wheels and an engine. |
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Etienne Hoodrider
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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JoZeF Grave Digger
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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It sounded good when you were talking about it
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JoZeF Grave Digger
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Brooky wrote: | I do wish people wouldn't pour scorn on this car, and the other ratrod (the one with the pure red-rust chopped body). These cars may not be to your particular taste but the builders have at least exhibited a good deal of talent in the execution of some pretty radical ideas.
Nobody else on here has gone this far and some of you guys are always on at people for not having the balls to cut cars up.
This is brave work and many of us have wanted to find a way of getting the front wheels well forward. Well this guy has done it. Whether you like the body or not, it's been well executed from what I can see of it. If this car was clothed in an early 2cv 4 light body you'd all be drooling over it!
So come on, give him a break please, if only for having the courage of his convictions & pushing the boundaries.
Brooky. |
I'm sorry, but I don't see where the talent is ?
Some people here (not me) have put extremely good work into building finished and useable cars, that can be driven places... this is not the case of this "made in a weekend" wreck that was trailered once to a meeting and probably been binned since. It is a cheap build, there is no real metalshaping talent, since it has been created using original pieces (that is probably the most original part of the concept, although the first one he did is the only really good one), there is probably only the handbrake to stop the car, and this is an example of quality we should all admire ? _________________ "That bumper fits there like sunglasses on pig" O.E.
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Brooky Dropped
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 115 Location: North Devon, England
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jozef,
I haven't got a clue who the builder is and I didn't know he had built something previously. Have you got a photo of his first one? I'd be very interested to see it.
I understand your point about useability and there are many aspects of this 'car' that are un-finished. What I'm applauding is the builders vision and willingness to go way beyond in concept even if you feel the execution is poor.
The photo Etienne posted seems to be the best way to go in terms of getting that wheels-forward vintage look. Simply shift the body back on the chassis and put the drivetrain in the back. I'd be interested to know what the back end of that car is going to look like.
Brooky.
P.S. I never used the word quality in my post! |
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JoZeF Grave Digger
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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The first one he built :
the second one is the orange one, and the third is the rear engine one... _________________ "That bumper fits there like sunglasses on pig" O.E.
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Brooky Dropped
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 115 Location: North Devon, England
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh. Yes, I have seen that one. Don't like it. Too much like a cardboard mock up for Judge Dredd or something. I like the orange one. It just needs the messy engine tidying up a bit.
Same bloke built all three then? I begin to see the idea of him being more artist than engineer. But there are good ideas in all of them that could be translated into useable cars. The full enclosed rear wings on this one also appear on that gorgeous pastel green flatbed pick-up and they look wonderful on that.
Brooky. |
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ratstyle Dropped
Joined: 15 Nov 2008 Posts: 106 Location: dalfsen, holland
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Etienne wrote: | |
he! he stole my idea! _________________ "Rat look is just an excuse to stop a restoration half way............."
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JuanNavarro Dropped
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 171 Location: Madrid (Spain)
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Etienne wrote: | I know someone building a similar project with channelling + front wheels forward for a nice without fender look ! I hope he'll come here to talk about it ! |
If that pic correspond to what you said before, im not agree that what i pretend to show is "similar" to this, my idea is based in a streched door, and have not the avanced front axle, preserve the front fenders, have no chaneling, my conclusion is that this proyect isnt similar at all.
So being a great topic for discusion about advancing front axle and/or front fenders removal, but as the topic goes by a path that doesnt correspond to the topic subject, nor my coupe idea, ill change the topic subject. _________________ Snail Forum... distilling good taste.
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JoZeF Grave Digger
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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I like your coupe idea... just without the trucker exhaust for me _________________ "That bumper fits there like sunglasses on pig" O.E.
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JuanNavarro Dropped
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 171 Location: Madrid (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Jozef, probably you are very right with the exaust, is a unnecesary tuning part
Returning to the front-fenderless 2cv, my idea is to make this transformation is:
-Akadiane frame, 25cm more wheelbase.
-keep the body as is, and "keeping" the same location relative to the rear axis, so the front axle looks like it is advanced this 25cm (actually this means to move the body 25cm forward from where it is mounted the original), thats enough to align the wheels to the grille, avoiding the tractor-look, and if a chaneling is performed it will be aditional 25cm available for legroom
-Mount a v-twin engine from harley, in the hope it is short enough to fit under the bonet
The last idea pretend to be something like the next arrangement (harley engine, bmw gearbox in this case, GS or typeA for my idea):
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