SNAIL ☠ Vintage School 2CV    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  air ride Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          SNAIL Forum Index -> Technic View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Hope you will channel it too, I also hope that it will not be too (80's) hitek. -Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com Back to top daniel Snailer Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: i work on it more pic´s will follow Back to top JoZeF Grave Digger Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: looks crazily cool and well done. I hope it works as good as it looks ! _________________ "That bumper fits there like sunglasses on pig" O.E. Back to top Etienne Hoodrider Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2829 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Great job! Can't wait to know how it works! _________________ www.super2cv.com Back to top Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Whit these rods or ends it will be adjustable highride not low But I think you will found the solution, keep on good work! -Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com Back to top Lionel Dropped Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Location: NANTERRE-PARIS suburb-FRANCE Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: This seems so simple, that's an elegant solution! I still have a question: When I look at the tube protubing behind fixation point that seems to guide the travel of the bag: and then with the bag in place: what is the actual displacement length of the system? it seems small from where I stand (my chair that is...): or, did I miss something? _________________ 0 to 70 in the same day! Back to top stefan Dropped Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 257 Location: holland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: amazing i only think you're gonna need a lot of air pressure? or am i wrong _________________ Back to top backfire Dropped Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 346 Location: NL, 's-Hertogenbosch Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: 8 bar at the most _________________ 2CV, with Visa turbo charged Back to top Jasu Dropped Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 211 Location: Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: I'm very interested, how much force does this air-element make for example 10bar pressure..? I just hope I'm wrong, but when I was working in pneumatics workshop, we calculated that with 100mm cylinders 10bar pressure wasn't enough even to raise 2cv without any load (600kg)... Maybe I or somebody else need to do some calculations..? Remember that with 2cv suspension, there is need to use about five times more force than "normal" suspension..! _________________ Make it today, tomorrow it's probably illegal... Back to top Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Jasu, the thing here is that he is not going to use air presure cylinders. He is using air bags. Its totally different thing. These bags are in use at many, many custom cars around the world, and also in Busses & Trucks. Jasu wrote: IRemember that with 2cv suspension, there is need to use about five times more force than "normal" suspension..! I know that 2cv springs are strong but I dont believe that 2cv's springs are 5times bigger than normal cars -Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com Back to top Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgTBmTm1lts http://www.airridetalk.com/ -Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com Last edited by Olli on Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:19 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top stefan Dropped Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 257 Location: holland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: 1 bar is 1 kilo per square cm. so if you have a force of 200 kilo multiply by 5 becouse of the swingarm =1000 kilo, and the surface from the airbag is something about 20 square cm?? so that makes already 50 bar of pressure or did i miscalculated? _________________ Back to top Jasu Dropped Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 211 Location: Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: This was disturbing me so much, so i must do some calculatings... There is need about 10000N force to front spring, nearly 5000N rear. So, IF there is cylinder with 100mm diameter piston, there is need of 10bar pressure in each cylinder... Thats why I asked specifications of these air bags, I want know more about them. I'n not saying they won't work there, just saying "normal" cylinders need more pressure than that 8, or even 10 bar to work... Yes, I know they work well in bus & truck, but they are much bigger and straight between suspension and chassis..! _________________ Make it today, tomorrow it's probably illegal... Back to top Jacobus_XIII Snailer Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 44 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Olli wrote: Jasu, the thing here is that he is not going to use air presure cylinders. He is using air bags. Its totally different thing. These bags are in use at many, many custom cars around the world, and also in Busses & Trucks. Jasu wrote: IRemember that with 2cv suspension, there is need to use about five times more force than "normal" suspension..! I know that 2cv springs are strong but I dont believe that 2cv's springs are 5times bigger than normal cars -Olli I also think that 2cv springs are much stronger than normal springs. If your wheel is lifted by 10 cm the spring is only expand a few cm. So the spring has to be a lot stiffer than a "normal" spring. Back to top Olli Soviet-Finn Photoshoper Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 2146 Location: Soviet-Finland Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: I didnt find any info how much presure they use in these systems, but I found some pics of gauges they use and there maximum was 150psi what makes about 10bars. -Olli _________________ www.ollierkkila.com Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         SNAIL Forum Index -> Technic All times are GMT + 2 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next Page 5 of 6   Jump to: Select a forum SNAIL forum----------------General chatMeetingTechnicYour ride Sell/Buy----------------For SaleWanted  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. Hosted by phpBB.BizHat.com