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Neil
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Joined: 03 Jul 2007
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Location: Cornwall UK
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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: | | Kustombart wrote: | | Punky wrote: |
So Hoodride's, Ratlook's, Resto Cals, etc. Are no customs in your eyes?
When you screen the present members, I think there are around 5 members left who fit this profile.  |
Hoodride is a car with a shit paintjob, an extra light on the bumper and a roofrack, nothing custom in that.
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so, does this car fit in with the ideals of the board? |
I'd still like to know your views on Etiennes car... I personally like it, it's subtle but has some nice 'trad' touches. In one breath people are saying that this style of car doesn't constitute a custom, yet Etienne started a topic on it & had a good response to his thread. Obviously he thought it was worthy of starting a thread - so what i'm saying is this type of 2cv acceptable? Seems to me that Jozef & Olli have differing ideas to what should & shouldn't be posted to Etienne.
Tibo's Dyane is another example; it's a nice clean Dyane, that's been lowered - nothing really 'custom' about that (no offence intended tibo) some suggestions were made to paint the wheels & paint scallops on it. Is this car not welcome until these changes have happened, or will Tibo have to find another forum?
Not everyone has the skills, the time, money, or access to tools/facilities that a lot of the more 'hardcore' of you have. This is NO excuse for a lack of taste, Etienne's car shows what can be done on a reasonably small budget...
I can see what you're aiming for with this board, but the truth is it aint gonna happen over night. If someone shows an interest in the 2cv custom scene then they should be encouraged, people then, as shown before, can & will go on to build cars that are considered to be more custom; but everyone has to start somewhere!
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Shedspeed
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Location: kent, England
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I'd still like to know your views on Etiennes car... I personally like it, it's subtle but has some nice 'trad' touches. In one breath people are saying that this style of car doesn't constitute a custom, yet Etienne started a topic on it & had a good response to his thread. Obviously he thought it was worthy of starting a thread - so what i'm saying is this type of 2cv acceptable? Seems to me that Jozef & Olli have differing ideas to what should & shouldn't be posted to Etienne.
Tibo's Dyane is another example; it's a nice clean Dyane, that's been lowered - nothing really 'custom' about that (no offence intended tibo) some suggestions were made to paint the wheels & paint scallops on it. Is this car not welcome until these changes have happened, or will Tibo have to find another forum?
Not everyone has the skills, the time, money, or access to tools/facilities that a lot of the more 'hardcore' of you have. This is NO excuse for a lack of taste, Etienne's car shows what can be done on a reasonably small budget...
I can see what you're aiming for with this board, but the truth is it aint gonna happen over night. If someone shows an interest in the 2cv custom scene then they should be encouraged, people then, as shown before, can & will go on to build cars that are considered to be more custom; but everyone has to start somewhere! |
Wot he said.
If you stick to a very narrow ideal of which cars you like/dont like, and what should be done to cars/not done to cars, you will end up with no new ideas, no variety and very few people will want to join Snail, especially if you are seen to be telling users not to bother. If you want to make an impression on the 2cv world, by all means, cater for the amazing and impressive cars we have on here (JoZeFs van, Kustombarts TikiWagon, Tonys SCAR), and dont forget, THESE are the cars that will be noticed by the everyday 2cver at meetings and camps, nobody would give a car like mine, or Neils, or Tims a second look compared to them, if cars in the style of these inspire others to create cars on the same themes. The heavily modded cars will be the ones that get the attention, so why not let others, who may lack inspiration/time/money come on here and be inspired? I do understand what you are getting at by certain cars not being in the style of Snails main aim (I guess at least one of mine is guilty of that aswell).
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oldschool
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Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Location: poitiers, FRANCE
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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i wrote this yesterday :
"Jozef, give a chance to new snailers, let us discover this cultur and also let us try to make something with our snail. May be we 'll make mistake but the more important isn' t to enjoy and have fun.
well, we start by "simply" a new paint but everyone have to start by something else.
"young snailer" need time to "digest" all forum information, and everyone can't lower or change motor and part or built a rooftrack.
I think you should give us more time."
Today, reading this post i was thinkin :" well, may be this forum is not for me, i' m not such a good mechanic. Have and show interest for custom, rod and snail is not enough, so i was disapointed ... but i' m happy to see that there is snailer who dont want close the door to "padawan" like me.
I really understand that Olli, Jozef and Etienne want to keep the forum spirit and don't want the snail forum became a "normal" 2cv forum.
And thats why I register on this forum, because here, there is no ordinary 2cv 's owners, cause i find lot of crazy, and strange and good ideas. An other vision of 2cv who respect this car soul and shake it at the same time.
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Juanito2cv
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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Location: Saint-Gaudens FR (31) Near Toulouse
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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hey,
i'm in this forum since a short time and I have read all this topic. I'm a little disapointed because I think that custom is what you want about your 2cv. It can be just a paint with accessories or chanelling and top chop ! So, I really love a lot of project on this forum and I love "normal"2cv too (but for that i have forum2pattes !) and i want to say long life for snail, the only forum who speak about custom 2cv we love !
PS : I HATE HITLER and i don't give a fuck about the hignway, a lot of european men and women ( the father of my father includes) have make war against him and a lot of their die
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JoZeF
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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No one said you HAD to post things on this forum. If you consider yourself to be a "beginner", and want/need to learn, to do an interesting Custom 2cv, well, that's fine. You don't have to start a topic from day one of the modifications... You can also read the forum, and ask questions in the technical section (even standard stuff can always be discussed there)
It has been said that not everyone has skills/tools etc.
To those, I would like you to see where and what I work with... that did not stop me from doing what I did on my Van (granted, Pete did most of the job 15 years ago, but hey, it could have been done with a 1300 GS on a Stock Super Chassis...)
Ollis answers are very worthy of interest. Do not hesitate to read them twice. 
| Quote: | | If you stick to a very narrow ideal of which cars you like/dont like, and what should be done to cars/not done to cars, you will end up with no new ideas, no variety and very few people will want to join Snail, |
Maybe you were talking about yourself. I don't want to brag but I have plenty of "Snail custom" 2cv projects in mind (and not one hoodride either) I just don't have time to build everything
I don't think it was said anywhere that we want to break membership records on this board. It is and has always been about a new 2cv scene inspired from "you know what" if you've read the intro. I prefer quality to quantity, any day...
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Neil
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Location: Cornwall UK
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: | I'd still like to know your views on Etiennes car... I personally like it, it's subtle but has some nice 'trad' touches. In one breath people are saying that this style of car doesn't constitute a custom, yet Etienne started a topic on it & had a good response to his thread. Obviously he thought it was worthy of starting a thread - so what i'm saying is this type of 2cv acceptable? Seems to me that Jozef & Olli have differing ideas to what should & shouldn't be posted to Etienne.
Tibo's Dyane is another example; it's a nice clean Dyane, that's been lowered - nothing really 'custom' about that (no offence intended tibo) some suggestions were made to paint the wheels & paint scallops on it. Is this car not welcome until these changes have happened, or will Tibo have to find another forum? |
would anybody care to answer the above question???  |
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Olli
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Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | so, does this car fit in with the ideals of the board? |
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Hoodride and Restos etc. are customs - Mild Customs. and they DO FIT in
this forum.
-Olli |
What if you would read some previous posts?
At least you could find my answer.
-Olli
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Neil
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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if i put my 2cv on an Ami super chassis & used a GS engine etc, lowered it a bit, painted on some old advertising - is that tuning (which you don't want) or is that considered to be 'custom' enough?
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sivipas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| JoZeF wrote: | No one said you HAD to post things on this forum. If you consider yourself to be a "beginner", and want/need to learn, to do an interesting Custom 2cv, well, that's fine. You don't have to start a topic from day one of the modifications... You can also read the forum, and ask questions in the technical section (even standard stuff can always be discussed there)
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seems to me that this is the main point of disagreement in this discussion.
I don't think that anyone here has a problem with negative criticism. in any way, the ability to withstand criticism is crucial if you want to grow in any kind of creative work, and I think we all understand that.
also, I don't think that anyone here wants snail forum to turn into a regular 2cv message board. I think we're all clear on that.
the thing is, if us 'little guys', who dont have a severely modified car, are not allowed to post things that for us means a progress, we will probably not feel as we are a part of a group of people called 'snail' and would sooner or later go away. good, you might say, but if people would drift off because of that, that would in turn mean having no change in 2cv custom scene, which I believe was the point of making snail forum. no offence jozef, but applying your way of thinking to your direction, some great famous hot-rod builder, who takes few sheets of alluminium and makes a car out of it, might say that you just bought an already made alfa engined ami super and bolted another body onto it. but you know you did more than that, right?
anyway. for me it's great that you guys made this forum, and I believe that people will start building better cars, exploring new ways which are really cool and not bolt on crap, but it takes time. |
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Kustombart
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Joined: 25 Jun 2007
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Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| j&cKustom wrote: | | PS : I HATE HITLER and i don't give a fuck about the hignway, a lot of european men and women ( the father of my father includes) have make war against him and a lot of their die |
You can say I HATE HITLER out loud here, I don't think the gestapo is listening. A lot of people suffered here as well, we lived next to them, after all. Anyway, it was a joke in response to what Tony said.
| j&cKustom wrote: | | sorry sorry sorry for my bad english... |
It's not that bad, really.
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Olli
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Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: | | if i put my 2cv on an Ami super chassis & used a GS engine etc, lowered it a bit, painted on some old advertising - is that tuning (which you don't want) or is that considered to be 'custom' enough? |
Excuse me but what the hell are you trying to say?
When did I say that this kind of car you describe does not fit on this forum ?
If you read a bit more of the previous posts you would again get
answers about this. Or at least my last answer. My car is quite far away from original = customized. As I started this forum I wanted to SEE MORE
2CV'S MADE IN CLASSICAL STYLES, like my Azu. I think I, who started
this forum, know what kind of cars I made this forum for ? What do you think?
My Azu is being interviewed in Finnish Classic HotRod magazine,
Primer, so i'm not only one who thinks thats its well styled.
I think you are mixing up some words.
I use TUNING word out of this kind a car:
(i know what word tuning exactly means but its more
used on this style of car modification)
And here is one example of Classic styled car:
Is it clear enough now? If you still have some questions you are free to ask.
Thanks,
Olli "The Tuning Man"
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