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JoZeF · Grave Digger Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 1734

It's often a slow process... I'm sure there are some guys around you with whom you can "learn".

by the way "Balkan Custom" sounds like a mean machine.... Twisted Evil

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BalkanCustom · Snailer Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Croatia

I am planning on taking it slow - I am a big fan of rust, but the body of my 2cv is in too good shape to be "destroyed" by rust.... And my chassiss is too destroyed by rust so first I need to change it... The idea was to make something low, matt black or greyish (like that woody dyane) whith decent pinstriping and frenchet taillights for starters. But for now - new chassiss and maybe lowering it a bit... Ofcourse - roof rack is a must!

I look at it this way - balkans are interesting place to be born in, somewhat brutal, and I would like to incorporate some of that brutality in my car in future.

I think this is a bit OT, but...
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SamClukkers · Lowered Joined: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 774 Location: Belgium

Balkan, your first post must be the best post ever on this forum. You truly seem to understand what it's all about, congratulations for that! It's unique to see someone like you who respects the spirit of this forum and you don't want to show your car because it doesn't fit here (yet).

Welcome!

Kustombart · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject:

@Balkancustom: You are right, there are many ways to modify your car, or even, not modify but just drive and have fun. All are OK but they don't have a place on this forum. Keep thinking of your custom-ideas, one day it will be time to make them real. Maybe not on this car, maybe the next, or the one after that. Besides, I think most people here don't have a garage or tools. Just the will to make their car the way they like it!

@Punky: I don't really see the difference between US and Beetle customs. Most Beetle customs are from the US, or inspired by US beetle customs after all.

"Custom" originated in the 30s, when companies like Westergard (US) modified cars to the taste of their CUSTOMers. That's where the word comes from. A customer would buy a car, see aspects he didn't like and have them changed. It was very much about individuality, no two cars were the same.

In today's car modifying, people tend to look at a certain style (like hoodride) and try to copy that. They buy the style correct wheels, fit a style correct light on the bumper and put style correct roofrack on. That's not individuality and not the "custom" spirit as it originated. Instead of thinking about their OWN car and what they like and don't like about it, they try to make it look like someone else's.

For my car, I liked the shape of the nose. I tried to accentuate that by removing bumper and blinkers. I didn't like the look of the "box" on the back of my Acadiane so I cut it off. I like the look of stationwagons and woodies so I built it like that, in a way that fits the Acadiane shape. I like flames and gold sparkly paint so I paint it like that. Notice, no K&N filter, no deltamic wheels, no chrome shiny bits, no spoiler kits, nothing out of a catalogue, only handmade stuff.

There will be no other car like this because there is nobody with the same taste (I hope). I say OWNSKOOL instead of Old skool.
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Tom Duckpower · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:

Few quote's:

Punky · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject:

I share your opinion Tom.

But maybe it's better we now get back talking about cars and 2cv's at special. Wink

sivipas · Snailer Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 99

Seems to me majority of the cars in cool beetles topic is, well, plain lowered cars with a cool paintjob, rusty or faded or whatever. And beetle scene is often referred to in these pages as something to learn from.

It would be great to see more 'real' 2cv customs here, prime examples of beautiful workmanship and matchless style. But if the point of making this forum was creating 2cv custom scene, I find it inappropriate to be so exclusive. Because: if I make my AK400 almost standard, but with a matt paint, a roofrack, a little lowered, some details of my own, then, maybe, through learning from other guys on this forum, receiving constructive criticism when I post pictures etc, well, maybe I will have the necessary stimulation and courage to cut up my dyane as my next project and make something really customized.
Being so exclusive would seem appropriate in a custom scene as developed as beetle scene is. But I think you can't educate people if you allow showing only cars from those who already know things, who have the skills, developed sense of aesthetichs, etc. In my opinion, that's not stimulating for people to start thinking differently. Of course there is a lot of crap now, for fuck's sake, but how on the earth do you think something will change, if not by gradual learning? I think the way it was until now – just expressing argumented opinion when someone posts something – is much better on the long run, than putting a ban on cars which are not up to some criteria which is impossible to set anyway.

TONY ENGLAND · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

I'm with you Tom. Who should decide whether a car is shit or good?
I thought this Forum was for people who are interested in Modified 2CV's. I didn't realise that there was a hidden agender, whereby all Snail cars had to look the same.
Didn't Hitler have hidden agenders and try to make the world into a blonde haired, white only race.
I am not saying that ANYONE on this Forum is like Hitler or has his ideals, but surely any ideas about modifying 2cv's is better than none at all.
If we want the 2cv scene to take off (which i do), as it has with the VW scene, then we need to learn to accept other peoples ideas and realise that although they might not be to your particular taste, 'IT IS THEIRS' and should be encouraged.
Only by generating more modified 2cv's will the scene get off the ground and grow.
Sorry to go on but thats my view (for what its worth) and i dont like it when the same old comments are used to bully people into changing their ideas into somone elses.
I've said it before--- "Its YOUR car, YOU build it how YOU want it".
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Neil · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:

Kustombart · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject:

To my taste, it is not a custom. Whether it fits here is for Snail moderators to figure out.

Etienne's first car may not be an out and out custom but it did inspire him to build his channeled Dyane. So Sivipas has a good point. Accepting lesser cars may lead to great new creations by the owner.

@tony england: hey, didn't Hitler also invent highways? I'm not saying he's a great guy but he wasn't all bad. Wink

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björn · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject:

i understand jozef point
but like the rest is saying
late people grow
my first 2cv i only wheldid the3e windows shot
now i lowerd en riestorwd and put a visa engine in my van
next wil be channeling on my oder van or on rippel 2cv and maybe tunning the visa or 4cilinder
so i'm growing arnd i?
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backfire · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject:

yes you are growing Bjorn!

Personally I think that snail forum is not for the 2cv builders that restore theire 2cv to original, for the rest, any small modification should be open for input here. Maybe for some people a small modification is done in 1 hour and not considerd customizing, but for the beginner it could have taken hime 1 week and he feels it as customizing. If the starters want to have a growing scene, it's those people that could become big changers.

I must admitt that the input from Olli is an inspiration, but I change it to my preferred view.

And guys, please can we stay focused on the core, keep posting those great customs, just for inspiration and support.

As Tom I spend more time om 2cv.nl, because it's more my cup of tea, but I like to see new progress from Stefan and Ettiene.
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max · Dropped Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 332 Location: England

stefan is keeping quiet, thats means he's busy at work rather than bitching. Twisted Evil

Olli · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject:

Olli · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: