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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:18 pm    Post subject: Ami (Formerly 1500TI) Reply with quote

I noticed a few people commenting how quiet (or quite Laughing) snail is at the moment, so I thought I'd give an update / fresh start on a legend of old...

I bought Pete sparrow's old Ami super off Jozef - I had planned on getting it running and having car to mess about with on track days and stuff like that.
Anyway life got in the way, I got more involved at work, started a degree, started 2cv racing and spent my money on alcohol. Within this time Pete and others repeatedly told me that the car was dangerous even at the sight of rain... So it sat and sat and sat in the garden.



Whilst at a track day with my old Saxo and Pete's BMW 2cv as I saw him overtake a car similar to mine I decided I had to have a BMW 2cv.

While intoxicated or something similar I hatched a plan with Pete. This was to fulfil my original intention of having an Ami to use on the track but doing it the modern(isn - 1996) way rather than using heavy old technology that produced similar power but ruined the handling of the car.

Anyway me and my Dad pulled the engine and gearbox out one Saturday morning using an arrangement of trolley jacks and straps to manoeuvre it out.(We don't have an engine hoist really should do but 2cv engines are our usual toy)



I then got some racing springs and turned arms with 3° of camber, just got to find some suitable shockers and get some widened wheels to put some Toyo R888 tyres on, this should then make the car handle fairly well, with maybe a bit of camber and a bit of tow in at the rear Very Happy



A week later I got a BMW engine, and Pete delivered the conversion kit!



So I did a trial fit;







This was with the dowels still in the gearbox so then engine will sit 10mm further back, however it's evident I will need to sort a solution for the alternator.

I then took it upon my self to try and remove the dowels from the gearbox, instead I managed to crack the bell housing, so then had to change this for a less corroded one.

I still need to exchange a fly wheel to get a BMW adapted flywheel then I can really have some fun and get it started Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Probably most importantly I need to sort the brakes - I think I will use GS front callipers with custom seals and old style rear cylinders in order to run DOT 5.1 brake fluid. I then need to find a suitable master cylinder maybe the Alfasud one will work, I will have to work our what 2cv master cylinder to brake piston ratio is and try and get somewhere close to this.



Anyway progress may be a little slow as I have to do some Uni work, prepare the race car for next season and unfortunately these will sometimes have to take priority.
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joe la bricole
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice project . i think it'll be better with the bmw engine than with the alfa engine ! and it'll be lighter !
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VasilAmi
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool project keep it on,i was thinking of a alfa engine 1.7 i boxer for my 2CV,any tips about that idea ? :)
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Tittap123
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:41 pm    Post subject: AMI - BMW Reply with quote

Hy yellowpickup and happy new year!

Nice stuff! I saw some video and some thread on internet but I'm very happy to see a project just started.

Please keep up to date! What kind of engine do you choose?
Thanks
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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VasilAmi wrote:
Cool project keep it on,i was thinking of a alfa engine 1.7 i boxer for my 2CV,any tips about that idea ? :)


I wouldn't try really, it's too heavy for the 2cv chassis, and too big for the 2cv bodywork I'd imagine so it'd look bad if you tried to put a bonnet on it!

Tittap, I am using a BMW R1100RS oil head engine Very Happy
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Etienne
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice ! Looking forward to see this project reach an end.
And your right, Snail forum is a bit slow, everyone's busy... Hope 2014 will see many new cool 2cv project !
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Ducksen
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was the one about the quite forum Wink Is pete still making conversion kits????

i also want a bmw engine in my 2cv but i just can't find one or very expensive Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ yellowpickup:
I saw your picture at the ecas shop in england when I was there.

I'm really curious to see how this project is going!
I like the bmw conversion!
Good luck with it!
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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ducksen wrote:
i was the one about the quite forum Wink Is pete still making conversion kits????

i also want a bmw engine in my 2cv but i just can't find one or very expensive Sad


Yeah he is, give him a call if you'd like one.

http://www.sparrowautomotive.co.uk/citroen2cvbmw.html

This engine cost me £300, which is real cheap and it may be a bag of shit but it doesn't matter massively at this point, as if it is a piece of shit then I'll get another once the rest of the car is able to take it! Very Happy

@Wout You should have popped in to see it, I live 2 junctions up the M6 from ecas, 35 minutes!
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Bart
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Cool Nice 1 Louis! but why am I not surprised? I already thought there was something going on when you were looking for a ami8 pedalbox Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know, the guy told me.
But then I had to drive back.
Maybe a next time Wink
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Tittap123
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowpickup wrote:


Tittap, I am using a BMW R1100RS oil head engine Very Happy


Nice! Do you have a wiring diagram and/or a handbook for that engine?
I try with emule but I can't find.

Thanks
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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I searched for them on google and bought the Haynes.

I have the BMW service manual in PDF and all the wiring diagrams in PDF.


This is for a GS but they are basically the same, I believe it is the bike that is different rather than the engine.
http://www.bmwgsclub.nl/schematics/R1100GS%20Schematics.pdf
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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should probably be updated as it has moved a long a little!

I have got a GS gearbox and GS brake callipers, I am using a 70s 2cv master cylinder, and have had to move the positioning of the push rod (on the pedal) up 15mm to get the same output force as a 2cv for same input force. Hopefully I have sourced some axel seals for my brakes. Very Happy

The GS gear box sits nice and low with a mount welded in, this allows the engine to fit under the bonnet (with a few adjustments) I have an LN bell housing and LN output shafts to put onto the GS box so it can be used.
The LN bell housing is also shorter than the GS bell housing, this should make the engine fit even easier. The engine mounts just require a cross brace, however I will do this once the new bell housing is fitted.



The engine wiring is nearly complete, it requires 3 wires splicing into the car wiring, a couple of wires putting into the car but really nothing major!

The fuel system is also in place, just requires one wire putting in!
Most importantly the body work.... the front end detaches hole with 4 nuts. The rear wings detach with only one nut and one bolt (I had to do this to get the wheels off with the new GAZ shocks)



As above it has some two way adjustable GAZ 2cv racing shock absorbers fitted too.
Very Happy Very Happy

I also have these that are too old for the race car now Wink Only issue being I had to extend the gear stick so I can reach it!!







Maybe I need more MPH?



Had the swirl pot made up at work, it's now all connect I'll take better photos in my next batch!



Location of the pumps, again this is now fully connected. Better photos coming.

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Tittap123
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work! Very Happy
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