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yellowpickup
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayjay, are you trying to be a purist on snail?! Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont understand your question what is a purist?
all i know is- i drive a 2cv, why anyone would need to mess around with such a little 602cc engine is beyond my thinking
why spend lots of money to increace the measly power by a 2cv?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayjay wrote:
i dont understand your question what is a purist?
all i know is- i drive a 2cv, why anyone would need to mess around with such a little 602cc engine is beyond my thinking
why spend lots of money to increace the measly power by a 2cv?


because you can!? Twisted Evil

p.s. a purist is someone that wants to keep thing in his pure and originale state Wink
so not really for this forum Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brammie wrote:

p.s. a purist is someone that wants to keep thing in his pure and originale state Wink
so not really for this forum Twisted Evil


In some way Snail is a purist forum. At least it has been created by truly 2 CV purists. Snail is not about modify to modify. It's about improving the 2 CV by respecting its original spirit and design. Look at Olli's 2 CV rod. There is so many details showing Olli's a 2 CV & traditional hot rod purist. See my point ?
And I will always prefer a stock 2 CV than a badly modified one...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you say Snail is for nicely modified 2cvs, Ayjay thinks a 2cv is perfect as it is, which is fine, but the opinion of most Snailers is it can be tastefully improved. So maybe it is not the place to tell every one that it is pointless to modify a 2cv to gain a measly power increase, my excuse would be to surprise people in cars like this piece of OTT shit:



and with a car like Joolz' or Pete Sparrows Dyane this is possible.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be realistic, we won't impress any Focus RS driver, even with a BMW or a GS engine.. Maybe a Twingo driver...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dyane has a Lotus engine, but yeah a GS or BMW engined car might keep up with a Fiesta ST just..
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etienne wrote:
Be realistic, we won't impress any Focus RS driver, even with a BMW or a GS engine.. Maybe a Twingo driver...


Very Happy Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etienne wrote:
brammie wrote:

p.s. a purist is someone that wants to keep thing in his pure and originale state Wink
so not really for this forum Twisted Evil


In some way Snail is a purist forum. At least it has been created by truly 2 CV purists. Snail is not about modify to modify. It's about improving the 2 CV by respecting its original spirit and design. Look at Olli's 2 CV rod. There is so many details showing Olli's a 2 CV & traditional hot rod purist. See my point ?
And I will always prefer a stock 2 CV than a badly modified one...


hmm, i had a very long answer to this but I'll keep it short Wink
snail is a purist forum, that's a fact
but it's about be´ng your own purist
make your own standard
at least that's how I see it
so maybe created by 2cv purist, I don't think they were really 2cvpurist!

but I see your point
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowpickup wrote:
The dyane has a Lotus engine, but yeah a GS or BMW engined car might keep up with a Fiesta ST just..


It's not just what engine is fitted to the car.

The most important aspect is the power to weight ratio (and of course sufficient motricity to get things going properly)

A 1300 GS engine is supposedly 65 HP. Probably more like 59 or so in real life, and most certainly less than 65 anyway because I don't think performance figures are given at the wheel.

Anyway. It's low on power, well, not compared to a stock 602 2cv of course.

But thats pretty much all.

A 1300 GS 2CV maxes out at around 145 km/H, despite what wishful thinking owners of these things claim. Mainly because it's a shed on wheels, and motricity in "race mode" isn't really the best aspect of the 2cv, unless you're willing to spend and build whatever needed to improve that aspect.

A modern "classic" that comes to mind performance wise is the 205 GTI 1900. It's 0-60 and 1/4 mile figures are hardly outperformed (if at all) by the actual Clio RS or other current "GTIs" Compare specs it's quite funny.

But that again is only due to power to weight ratios. Current day cars have more HP but also more weight, so it basically doesn't give faster/quicker cars.

But 130 horses (officially) for the 205 1900 GTI, it would take some work and money to get the same power to weight ratio out of a 1300 GS engined 2cv, and the engine lifespan would probably be shit anyway.

Bigger engines (Alfa 1500) give good performance, but the engine is so heavy it also kills some of the benefit of extra HP.


That green Focus RS (301 HP/1468 kg - 205 HP per ton) versus a GS 1300 2cv (60 HP/515 kg - 115 HP per ton) ?

I'd rather have the Focus Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand power to weight, the Fiesta/Focus argument was more to The BMW engine, R1150 110HP / 515kg = 213 HP/ton? however with it have the aerodynamics of a pram obviously it will struggle then the gear box will explode but it would be fun for 30 minutes Laughing Focus RS vs BMW 2cv? BMW 2cv all the way Laughing

If we are serious about cars like the Focus I'd have an S3 or an R32 as they are slightly less chavy, and more understated.
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